Health Care Bill Page 58 Explained

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Recently, health insurance companies have been funding certain emails meant to distort America’s view of what is happening with the new health care bill. Health Care Bill page 58 has been at the top of the list. The email has stated that everyone will be issued a National ID Healthcard. Page 58 of the Health Care Bill does not state this.

The Health Care Bill on page 58 does not state that there will be a national ID card. It also does not state anything about a card at all. The Health Care Bill does talk about how health care will be rendered at the point of service. The person’s ability to pay for services will be determined at the point of service. This information will determine what the person needs help with and if that person is eligible for a specific service at a specific place with a specific specialist or general physician.

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In order to prevent a lot of hassle in hospitals and other health care facilities, over the years there has been changes in some parts of the nation. Computer chips have been tried with a person’s full health record on it. The person would carry this card around, and when health care is needed, then the person brings the chip with them. The health care provider is then able to put the chip in their computer and immediately have access to previous medical conditions as well as financial considerations in regard to that specific patient. Health Care Bill page 58 discusses a very similar thing.

With all the hype going on about a “socialized” medical system and government run health insurance, many Americans are naturally frightened. It is important to understand what the real bill says before getting all worked up about some email that most likely is not legitimate. The Health Care Bill Page 58 is specific as to how services and the eligibility for services will be accomplished.

If there is any question about what an email may be saying check it out. There are sources that are available to the public so that correct information can be obtained. Don’t just believe one source, check out many sources, looking at both the pros and the cons to make your own decision. Health Care Bill page 58 is definitely a bill that has been distorted in the vision of the United States. Become informed and check out the government pages and the bills listed and be able to spot the tricks when they come knocking at your door.

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In order for us to make an informed decision we need to see the bill. Any suggestions where we might be able to view this for ourselves?
Indeed, here is the Health Care Bill. It's in PDF format and has 1018 pages. You can see the health care bill page by page. http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf "To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and redue the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes," reads the bill on the first page.
Here is the bill in it's entirety. It's impossible to read straight through, but it is really helpful when you get emails or hear talk about certain sections: http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
I pasted the following paragraphed from the article above to bring a point out concerning control and who has it and how it will affect us as individuals. Regardless of you personal politics or how you feel on the issue of insurance, please consider the dangers of the government having access to your bank accounts. As stated in the paragraph the chip would include your financial information. If that is the case, then the truth is that the government would have access to your money and decide exactly how you will pay and when you will pay. Don't think the government isn't going to do that. If we allow them that much information concerning our personal being, then we are opening the door to what has happen to other countries where the government is infact 100% control of their lives. I don't want my government telling me, when to sleep, when to eat, what to eat, how many miles to walk everyday or what medical procedure I am allowed to have. Don't kid yourselves, talk to people who live in an universal healthcare country. "I HAVE!" I have even talked to doctors from countries with this type of program, they don't agree with individuals rights and personal decisions taken away from them by the controlling medical authorities set up by their government. Thank you for listing the link for the bill, I have been searching for it. I believe we all should educate ourselves on this matter so that we are completely prepared for anything. And yes, talk to people who have lived under these types of laws and bills. Don't assume that the government is always 100% honest. THEIR NOT!!! {"Computer chips have been tried with a person’s full health record on it. The person would carry this card around, and when health care is needed, then the person brings the chip with them. The health care provider is then able to put the chip in their computer and immediately have access to previous medical conditions as well as financial considerations in regard to that specific patient. Health Care Bill page 58 discusses a very similar thing."}
Despite the clumsy attempt by Nurse Decker to explain the use of electronic storage of a patient's medical records, the current bills under consideration in the House of Representatives (and specifically HR 3200) do not require or mandate the use of a heathcare ID card with a computer chip. A machine-readable card specified in the bill would contain a barcode with the patient's name & plan ID information, so that the provider can determine if the patient is indeed eligible for that plan. All heath care insurance providers already provide ID cards to members of their plan with this information on them. There is no provision for information on the card about a member's bank records or other financial information. The current, approved version of HR 3200 can be found from the United States Government Printing Office here: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf
Don't you think the government already has your banking information? They have had your information since you opened your first account.
Jenny Decker, RN states "The Health Care Bill on page 58 does not state that there will be a national ID card. It also does not state anything about a card at all." But page 58 of the bill spells out "Standards For Financial and Administrative Transactions", and on lines 11-13 describe transactions that "include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card." Jenny Decker is a liar and a shill for the most corrupt administration in history.
Grayston is correct that page 58 of HR 3200 (one of two health care bills under consideration in the House of Representatives) states that determination of a persons financial responsibility at the time of service "may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card." However, every health insurance plan in the United States currently provides members of its plan with a machine readable ID card. In this regard, HR 3200 provides no new requirement beyond current practice in the insurance industry. This is not a "national ID card" in any sense. If people will read the bill with an open mind and without the influence of organizations with a vested interest in scoring political points, most of the rumors that seem to be taking hold will be seen to be false.
JAJ you are right. let's say people do read with open mind, but what about the politicians? There are more lobbyists woking in Washington than there are lawmakers. The Pharma industry has spent millions of dollars for their interest. How do we ensure that the lawmakers read the bill with open mind?
Erku, you raise an excellent point. There are thousands of well paid lobbyists who are aggressively courting members of Congress. That's why the town hall meetings taking place across the country are so important. This is an opportunity for we citizens to have meaningful dialogue of our Senators and Representatives. Unfortunately, many of the meetings have become affairs where shouting, screaming and intimidation by the audience have been predominant. Such a wasted opportunity! To be sure, there are opposing points of view on the various draft bills working their way through the House and Senate. All of those points of view should be heard. And, it would be best if the discussion focused on the actual language in the draft legislation, not the caricatures that have been promulgated by those who feel its in their interest to make our seniors and retired persons afraid. Regarding the legislators themselves, we could be asking if they have read the legislation. I expect that most haven't and that's a shame. Yes, the documents are lengthy (HR 3200 is 1018 pages long), but they can be read and understood by most people. We should always be able to demand that our legislators read the bills they consider and explain them to us. We have a representative democracy. We should demand no less.
Wrong again, Its the politicians that looking to score political points. Are you one of them?
Since all of you are reading this bill anyway, please tell me if it states anywhere that you must be a US citizen. I have a friend who claims it would cover all the illegal immigrants.
Page 50 section 152: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.